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kura 发表于 2013-11-30 23:10:32 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
认真的琢磨了一下税表,再也不想为丹麦的福利系统作贡献了,打算撤离丹麦。
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 楼主| kura 发表于 2013-12-1 12:38:25 | 显示全部楼层
丹麦的经济问题本质上是一个道德问题

Denmark’s Economic Problem is Fundamentally a Moral Problem    ------by Daniel Burritt

As the New York Times’s Suzanne Daley recently reported, Denmark’s massive welfare state imposes “the highest marginal income-tax rates in the world” in order to subsidize “able-bodied” Danes with “no intention of taking a demeaning job.” Consequently, the nation faces massive and growing   unemployment; “only 3 of Denmark’s 98 municipalities will have a majority of residents working in 2013,” compared to 59 in 2009.

One need not be a professional economist to understand that when government punishes those who work in order to reward those who do not, the result is that fewer people work.

Denmark’s economic problem is a consequence of its moral problem. Its government violates the rights of its citizens by forcing them to finance the welfare state—and the government does this because Danish citizens regard selfless service to others as moral.

Denmark will not restore economic sanity until its citizens recognize the individual’s right to keep and use the fruits of his labor according to his own judgment. And they won’t recognize that right until they come to see that self-interest—thinking and acting on one’s own behalf, keeping and using the fruits of one’s own effort, and leaving others free to do the same—is moral.

http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/blog/index.php/2013/04/denmarks-economic-problem-is-fundamentally-a-moral-problem/
 楼主| kura 发表于 2013-12-1 15:49:26 | 显示全部楼层
原来的贴不在了,再发一遍。

Denmark’s Economic Problem is Fundamentally a Moral Problem

As the New York Times’s Suzanne Daley recently reported, Denmark’s massive welfare state imposes “the highest marginal income-tax rates in the world” in order to subsidize “able-bodied” Danes with “no intention of taking a demeaning job.” Consequently, the nation faces massive and growing unemployment; “only 3 of Denmark’s 98 municipalities will have a majority of residents working in 2013,” compared to 59 in 2009.

One need not be a professional economist to understand that when government punishes those who work in order to reward those who do not, the result is that fewer people work.

Denmark’s economic problem is a consequence of its moral problem. Its government violates the rights of its citizens by forcing them to finance the welfare state—and the government does this because Danish citizens regard selfless service to others as moral.

Denmark will not restore economic sanity until its citizens recognize the individual’s right to keep and use the fruits of his labor according to his own judgment. And they won’t recognize that right until they come to see that self-interest—thinking and acting on one’s own behalf, keeping and using the fruits of one’s own effort, and leaving others free to do the same—is moral.

 楼主| kura 发表于 2013-12-1 15:55:02 | 显示全部楼层

Denmark will not restore economic sanity until its citizens recognize the individual’s right to keep and use the fruits of his labor according to his own judgment. And they won’t recognize that right until they come to see that self-interest—thinking and acting on one’s own behalf, keeping and using the fruits of one’s own effort, and leaving others free to do the same—is moral.

http://www.theobjectivestandard. ... lly-a-moral-problem

 楼主| kura 发表于 2013-12-1 15:56:23 | 显示全部楼层
http://www.theobjectivestandard. ... lly-a-moral-problem

Denmark will not restore economic sanity until its citizens recognize the individual’s right to keep and use the fruits of his labor according to his own judgment. And they won’t recognize that right until they come to see that self-interest—thinking and acting on one’s own behalf, keeping and using the fruits of one’s own effort, and leaving others free to do the same—is moral.

 楼主| kura 发表于 2013-12-1 15:58:00 | 显示全部楼层
发的帖子不见了,怎么回事
 楼主| kura 发表于 2013-12-1 16:04:23 | 显示全部楼层
有些人不懂什么叫言论自由
北极熊 发表于 2013-12-1 18:12:08 | 显示全部楼层
乍一看你是因为琢磨了税表才决定离开丹麦的?
税表是直接原因?
 楼主| kura 发表于 2013-12-1 18:24:27 | 显示全部楼层
北极熊 发表于 2013-12-1 18:12
乍一看你是因为琢磨了税表才决定离开丹麦的?
税表是直接原因?

本来冬天又冷又黑又湿,心里郁闷,没事看看税单,就更加坚定了信念。你知道丹麦是世界上税收最高国家之一吗,不要说投资,丹麦同事为了少缴税,情愿工作70%,要是加班,大家都不要加班费,只要换成休假就行。

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我也郁闷的,不过没有你洒脱,我老公之前加班都拿钱了,最后发现亏死了,钱赚多了,年底还得补税,幼儿园补贴什么都一分没有,现在都休假了  发表于 2013-12-16 14:00
Summer的午后 发表于 2013-12-5 12:43:35 | 显示全部楼层
嗯,真遗憾国内没有税单可看。。。。。我连自己交了多少税都不知道。。。。买东西的消费税更没指望查到。。。

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国内都是要自己计算的,有点复杂  发表于 2013-12-20 21:52
美丽 发表于 2013-12-15 20:18:54 | 显示全部楼层
 精神境界不高啊,哈。算算你得到什么了,心情就会好了。

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同意  发表于 2013-12-17 15:11
回去就是空气不好,不过有亲人,有朋友,没有这里这么无聊。  发表于 2013-12-16 14:01
除了假期还行以外,税太高了。这么说吧,对有工作的人来说,拿任意一个国家和丹麦比,同样的工资,在丹麦一年至少多出10万的税,你觉得呢?  发表于 2013-12-15 21:14
阿李爸爸 发表于 2013-12-16 11:09:51 | 显示全部楼层
那要看到手的有多少,不用交税但收入低还不是一样。
qingping001 发表于 2013-12-16 11:34:42 | 显示全部楼层
Summer的午后 发表于 2013-12-5 12:43
嗯,真遗憾国内没有税单可看。。。。。我连自己交了多少税都不知道。。。。买东西的消费税更没指望查到。。 ...

人呐,有一类像鸵鸟,眼不见为净啊,不闹心就好。
喜宝 发表于 2013-12-16 13:37:34 | 显示全部楼层
qingping001 发表于 2013-12-16 11:34
人呐,有一类像鸵鸟,眼不见为净啊,不闹心就好。

偶很认同。
rucvivi 发表于 2013-12-16 13:57:15 | 显示全部楼层
为了孩子,我再忍12年,等他18上了大学,我就可以回去陪父母了。。

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赞!  发表于 2013-12-19 20:32
lacola 发表于 2013-12-16 22:45:48 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
rucvivi 发表于 2013-12-16 13:57
为了孩子,我再忍12年,等他18上了大学,我就可以回去陪父母了。。

如果你是在忍着为孩子,也许对孩子也不是最好,不如为了自己的梦想活着,也传递给孩子快乐,12年,实在是不短啊。。如果注定你现在要生活在这里,不如学会喜爱这里,虽然不是我们的故乡,但也是我们选择了生活的地方

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孩子喜欢这里,我觉得很快啊,弹指一挥间,我随便过过也8年多了,可是年迈的父母以后还是需要我们的,这个是初步的一个规划  发表于 2013-12-17 17:44
 楼主| kura 发表于 2013-12-18 13:22:07 | 显示全部楼层

在丹麦。还木有离开
shanshandegn33 发表于 2013-12-18 13:55:50 | 显示全部楼层
rucvivi 发表于 2013-12-16 13:57
为了孩子,我再忍12年,等他18上了大学,我就可以回去陪父母了。。

我还得忍18年啊
oldfish 发表于 2013-12-18 13:57:25 | 显示全部楼层
kura 发表于 2013-12-18 13:22
在丹麦。还木有离开

原来你只是嘴炮
oldfish 发表于 2013-12-18 13:58:10 | 显示全部楼层
所谓为了孩子在这里苦忍的,其实都是自己不想离开而已
 楼主| kura 发表于 2013-12-18 14:02:08 | 显示全部楼层

你才是,已经有公司邀请我我到外国面试了。
oldfish 发表于 2013-12-18 15:18:08 | 显示全部楼层
kura 发表于 2013-12-18 14:02
你才是,已经有公司邀请我我到外国面试了。

我早就不呆在丹麦了。。。。。。

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